Tuesday, October 3, 2023

Lipedema: a holistic approach

MANY women suffer with lipedema, impacting their self-esteem, affecting their weight and making them feel hopeless. Consensus until recently has been that liposuction is really the only “cure”. By trying to really understand how it develops and progresses, I'm hoping to figure out how to holistically target it to not just prevent progression, but improve symptoms.
Not medical advice, not a professional, talk to your doctor etc etc. I'm coming up with my game plan based on what I have written here, and I’m sharing it in case it can help others!
Here's what I've learned:

Stage 0.
From birth, we overproduce fat cells in certain areas of subcutaneous adipose tissue (SAT) due to our genetic mutations (we lack genetic features which put a brake on the process), and at the start, that's all it is- thick-looking legs. But at some point in life when fat cells rapidly grow and multiply e.g. puberty or pregnancy, we start to see problems caused by this imbalance in adipogenesis (fat creation), characteristic of...

Stage 1.
Fat tissue needs to be accompanied by new vasculature (like any other organ/tissue) in order to supply it with oxygen. But our capillaries are abnormal due to genetic differences in our connective tissue (as an aside, most of us have diagnosable hypermobility), including our blood vessels. Essentially, our capillaries are fragile with poor elasticity and much more permeable than normal.
Unfortunately, blood pressure for all mammals is highest in the legs. Since our leg capillaries are fragile with poor elasticity, they experience even higher blood pressure and it doesn't take much for them to burst. I'm sure you bruise easily... if only that was the only problem. They dilate to try to cope with the high pressure, but they're really bad at constricting again (poor elasticity), hence many of us also have a condition called POTS.
But the permeability is the main issue- we leak fluid from them into the 'interstitial space' like crazy. That fluid is supposed to get absorbed by the lymphatic capillaries in the area and shuttled away to be cleared out of your body, but that's a whole a lot of strain to put on the system, so it runs a little slow. Small amounts of fluid hang around in your legs, small enough that you may not even notice it, and if you do, it's generally fixed by elevating your legs to help out your lymphatics. Your skin is smooth, you don't think there's much of a problem other than that your legs ache a lot.
But even those small amounts of fluid are a problem. Cells in your body called cytokines start sending out a warning signal that this is happening, which causes white blood cells to flood to the area and cause inflammation. In response to the inflammation, your subcutaneous fat cells start to undergo numerous harmful changes (remodelling), including becoming much less metabolically responsive- they refuse to be accessed for lipolysis. Some areas of inflamed fat form fibrosis around them in an attempt to repair themselves- a hardened outer layer, which you can start to feel as little nodules which may be as small as grains of rice. If this inflammation becomes chronic, it leads to...

Stage 2.
The chronic inflammation is incredibly damaging. It causes insulin resistance, especially in the abnormal fat, impacts on mood, increases pain and discomfort, and reduces mobility. All of these things further promote fat accumulation, growth of fat cells and, of course, the growth of the fibrotic nodules.
Inflammation and fat expansion also reduces oxygen supply to the cells (hypoxia), resulting in acidification (peroxidation), which promotes fibrosis, and increased oxidative stress- at this point, areas of your fat may be noticeably cool to the touch due to hypoxia. Hypoxia causes hardening of the nodular fibrosis and the fat becomes even more metabolically inert. You notice that your fat is dimpled like a mattress and if you do not have obesity in other areas of your body, it's becoming clear to you that this is not normal fat. This becomes even clearer as you progress into...

Stage 3.
As the cycles of inflammation, fat expansion and hypoxia continue, the nodules begin to adhere to each other and to your healthier fat tissue, creating large, lumpy, painful masses. Your skin begins to thicken (fibrosis) and you start to develop large, visible folds of skin and fat, which may protude and put pressure on joints as well as harming your mobility and balance. The loss of elasticity in your thickened tissues reduces blood and lymph flow, causing the tissue to grow, and the inflammation and fibrosis begin to cause serious damage to your lymphatic vessels.
Your body is supposed to grow new lymphatic vessels and strengthen existing ones in response to inflammation, but oxidative stress has reduced your rate of autophagy (that's when your body kills off damaged cells to allow the nutrients to go to healthy ones and to building new tissues), and so your body is unable to do this, ultimately resulting in...

Stage 4.
The edema accumulates, since it can no longer be transported away from the area, and you develop lipo-lymphedema, or lymphedema secondary to lipedema.
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Okay so it paints a pretty grim picture, BUT it does tell us what sorts of things we need to target holistically in order to slow progression and improve symptoms, and avoid surgery for as long as possible. I've tried to split them up into broad categories.

Reducing and preventing inflammation.
• Insulin resistance (which promotes inflammation) can be improved by restricting carbohydrates, strict intermittent fasting (18/6) and weight loss. PPARy agonists (cinnamon, clove and cacao) can promote insulin sensitisation.
• Cytokine signalling which tells the white blood cells to come and make inflammation can be significantly dampened by supplementation of MCT oil daily up to 20ml (but start much lower).
• Suppressing the NLRP3 inflammasome also suppresses the release of cytokines, and can be achieved via restriction of carbohydrates and supplementation with DGL liquorice.
• Adiponectin activates anti-inflammatory factors and reduces proinflammatory cytokines. Levels of adiponectin can be increased through daily omega 3 intake, myo-inositol, whole-day fasting and mild to moderate exercise (preferably water based, walking only with compression support), as well as through including gingerol, turmeric and capsaicin in your diet.
• Vigorous aerobic exercise and overexercising should be avoided, as it actually promotes chronic inflammation (and lactic acid + oxidants, causing further damage).

Reducing oxidative stress and improving lymphatic function.
• Increasing autophagy through intermittent fasting can circularly reduce oxidative stress in tissues and improve lymphatic function.
• Supplementation with short and medium chain fatty acids (MCT oil and apple cider vinegar) provides energy directly to the mitochondria without having to first pass through a damaged or overworked lymphatic system. The mitochondria are then more able to improve & create new lymphatic vessels.
• Hyperbaric oxygen therapy can help stimulate the growth of new lymphatic channels.
• Activating microcirculation (which is damaged by inflammation) increases the oxygen supply to tissues. This can be promoted through supplementation with B-complex vitamins, butcher's broom, ginseng, horse chestnut, witch hazel and omega 3 fatty acids (always check for drug interactions). It can also be promoted by hyperbaric oxygen chamber therapy, dry brushing, and consuming tea (black or green), and by massage.
• Promote oxygen supply to the area with anti-oxidants. Diosmin (with hesperidin) is an antioxidant which is excellent for capillary health- it increases the total number of functional lymphatic capillaries, improves frequency and intensity of lymphatic contractions, improves lymphatic drainage, supports microcirculation, and increases venous tone and venous elasticity.
• The fluid which leaks from blood vessels should be addressed at every stage of the disease with combined decongestive therapy (CDT). The best daily protocol is 30 minutes of vibration therapy (oscilating vibration plate) to improve venous and lymph circulation, followed by manual lymphatic drainage by a professional or 20 minutes simple lymphatic drainage at home to clear out the fluid, and then compression. CDT can actually strengthen your blood and lymphatic vessels.
• With compression, aim for moderate (15-20 mmHg) at night and up to 30-40mmHg in the daytime.
• Elevation of your legs reduces strain on the lymphatic system to shift the excess fluid.
• Compression pumps can promote lymph drainage and may improve SAT quality, reducing fat fibrosis (pantsuit type is recommended).
• Gentle swimming or water aerobics promotes lymph drainage and feels GREAT on your legs.

Preventing and lessening the changes in SAT.
• The damaged fat is metabolically resistant, but the metabolic shifts that occur from burning glucose to burning fat on a ketogenic diet may reduce this.
• Include antifibrotics in your diet- turmeric, (european) blueberry, coffee, CDE, resveratrol, quercetin and EGCG.
• Manual lymphatic drainage releases lipid peroxidation products from tissues, mitigating the effects of oxidative stress and helping to prevent further fibrosis.
• Textured elastic compression garments (either non-medical grade or custom flat knit) can provide a gentle anti-fibrotic effect to hardened skin, SAT, and nodules. PitPaks or chip foam quilted compression pads may be placed inside of compression garments you already own to address hardened areas of tissue. Bulkier quilted compression with more irregularly textured filling, such as chipped foam, foam strips, or cherry pits, can be useful, but are best suited to wearing at night or during pneumatic compression treatment.
• Vitamin E supplementation can mitigate the fibrotic effects of lipid peroxidation.
• Massage & manipulation targeting SAT remodeling. Quadrivas is very effective in reducing number of nodules and their fibrosity, as well as leg volume, but is difficult to access. Deep tissue massage techniques, such as myofascial release, or the Chinese massage technique of Tui Na, have similar effects. Percussive massage guns may be of some use.
• Astym therapy, Graston technique, and compression reduction techniques have been shown to reduce fibrosis in lipedema fat and increase blood flow to the tissues.
• Cupping negative pressure massage in the direction of lymph flow may remodel SAT in lipedema- vigorous treatment produces hematomas (bruises), but after several weeks, tissue tightens and skin becomes smoother. This may be through activation of stem cells in connective tissue, or regeneration triggered by injury giving rise to more stable and functional tissue.
• Far infrared radiation (FIR) reduces fluid buildup, reduces inflammation and improves microcirculation. It's also anti-fibrotic to hardened skin and possibly fibrotic fat tissue at higher intensities. You can actually buy a device for at-home treatment.
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Other comments:
In one study, a form of vacuum cavitation therapy, which is non-invasive, produced similar improvements of SAT remodeling to liposuction in women with lipedema, when performed 2x/week over 3 months. The study was carried out by some legit researchers, but only limited information was included in the publication as it was intended to be essentially inter-departmental, and it has never been peer reviewed or had any attempts to replicate it. I may shoot them an email asking for additional information, I'll update if I get a response.
http://lib.pt.cu.edu.eg/11-Zoheiry%20July%202013.pdf

One redditor reports being consistently able to break down the fatty tissue of his girlfriend's genetic lipomas using a hitachi-style corded vibrator. Lipomas have varying degrees of fibrous changes, but they're in the same category as lipedema in being an adipose tissue disorder involving overgrowth of pockets of fat, so it may be worth an attempt when it comes to SAT remodeling, especially if you're going for liposuction and need as many nodules as possible to be able to fit through the cannula easily. On the other hand, it may not be that the fat was broken down at all, just that circulation is improved and her body was able to then break down the lipomas itself.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Lipoma/comments/10mrtdi/update_vibrator_post_no2/

Shockwave therapy may be more effective than manual lymphatic drainage after liposuction for lipedema.
https://www.hindawi.com/journals/ecam/2021/9956879/

Here's a weird set of facts. Short and medium chain fatty acids might also be useful for fibrosis (nodules and thickened skin). Chronic use of exogenous ketones (such as MCT oil) reduces markers of fibrogenesis/fibrotic remodeling (creation of new fibrotic tissue) in the liver, kidneys and heart. Acetone (ACV, i.e. apple cider vinegar) also ameliorates diet induced fibrosis in the heart. Keto prevents fibrosis in the liver. Keto and exogenous ketones are being investigated for use in other fibrotic disorders. The key link between MCT oil, ACV and keto is that they all supply the mitochondria with a lot of ketones. Mitochondrial dysfunction is a characteristic of lipedema, and it all makes me think that we may just have a tendency to create fibrotic tissue, and our mitochondria don’t step in to prevent it. Giving the mitochondria enough ketones may actually prevent formation of new fibrosis and thus progression of lipedema.

We are chronically deficient in vitamin D and may need 4x the recommended dose as a supplement. Vitamin D reduces progesterone, which has got to be helpful seeing as our gene mutation means we struggle to break progesterone down, leading to high serum levels, which has some involvement in our disease.

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Monday, October 2, 2023

Any other analogies for weight loss?

I was cooking the other night while thinking about weight loss (as you do) and an analogy came to mind.

When you’re trying to reduce pasta sauce down it’s boiling but there is a lot of water in the pan. It’s hard to see progress but if you are patient and leave it bubbling, it’s going to eventually lose enough steam to thicken up. It’s not possible to remove water from anyone spot in the pan, it’s the whole pan or nothing. Eventually a lot of the excess water is gone and then suddenly it’s goes from being too watery to just right.

I thought this matches what happens with weight loss quite well. The slow progress, the patience, not being able to spot reduce and achieving the most noticeable change the further along you are.

Are there any other things in day-to-day life that are good analogies?

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Losing man boobs and love handles after a 150lb Weight loss. Went from 335 to 165 at lowest (gained about 20lbs bc had to stop working out for 3 months)

Hey all, I went from 335 plus pounds to about 165 at my lowest, I evened out at around 175 when i started weight training and eating 2k calories oppsed to 1.8lk. Although due to an injury I had to stop working out for about 3 months. During this time i gained about 10 to 12 lb and I'm now at my current place of 185. I am a 6 ft 1 in man and find myself in a place where it is extremely hard to get down to a place where I look like I should for my current weight.

At my lowest weights, I still had man boobs and love handles. Like even though at my lowest I was 160-165, I still had unsightly chest problems and love handles. It would seem most of my weight accumulates in my love handles and chest. When I got to 175 it would appear that it was mostly from muscle, even though I got pretty toned for a little while, I was unable to get rid of the excess skin and love handles. As I start to work out again in the next couple of weeks mainly due to still recovering from an injury, what are some ways that I can improve these problem areas?

What kind of exercises can I do to minimize the fat on my love handles, remaining fat on my chest, as well as the loose skin that made the area still a problem even at my lowest weight? Like I was doing very intense chest workouts, running, and Light eating. Like for the longest time I literally did zero sweets and no processed or added sugar, but yeah I still found myself having man boobs and love handles that made me feel just as self conscious as I did when I was 335 pounds.

What would your recommendations be? What exercises would you recommend for love handles outside of eating right and cardio? I am at a point to where it is extremely disheartening given the progress I lost due to my injury, as well as the lack of progress I attained when I was going to the gym every other day and eating correctly. How much should I be eating when I am trying to fix these problem areas? Like when I am able to go to the gym again on a constant basis and actually do the vigorous exercises again, how many calories should I be eating and how do I make sure that my diet is not just making the effort worth nothing?

Should I be focusing more on cardio or should I be focusing more on Extreme weightlifting? What do you guys think? I don't have a problem with losing weight I completely understand how to do that as I have lost over 150 lb before, but at this point I do not really know whether I should still be focusing on burning fat in a caloric deficit or if I should be focusing on building muscle. Do I need to be doing a cut/bulk cycle type of regiment? Or should I just be focusing on a caloric deficit while having high amounts of protein and low amounts of carbs and sugar?

There is not too much information regarding this that I have found, I have done a lot of research and only see stuff that is saying I should focus on solely losing weight even though when I was at my lowest I still had the skin and love handles. Like I can see that at 160 lb I still had approximately 15 to 20 lb that I could lose before I hit the underweight category, although I really did not know if I should have kept losing weight or if I should have been working out in an attempt to build muscle. Please advise further!

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Fell in love with the gym - now struggling with binge-eating?

Hey there..

So I never really understood binge-eating. How tf are you supposed to just be able to eat like.. everything?

I have been struggling with weight loss and other things in the past, namely gaming and nicotine. Gaming stopped being fun a while ago, I quit nicotine 30 days ago. Without gaming and still being fat I'm constantly looking for things to fill up my time with.

Previously I hated going to the gym, but now that I don't have that "I want to go gaming"-mindset anymore I absolutely love it. I go nearly every day and it's really great. But jesus christ, I won't lose weight like this.

I turned into a fucking trashbin for food.. I feel like a bottomless pit, especially if I am alone or bored. Just now I put a fucking Pizza into the oven, after having dinner AND a bag of chips already.. I never had THAT kind of hunger before going to the gym (or while smoking.. idk?).

Does anyone here have any tips or ways for me to get my shit together? This feels soo bad. I got so much stronger of the last 2-3 months in the gym, but if I keep eating like this, nothing will ever change..

Help

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Sunday, October 1, 2023

Lost 30 pounds, no significant difference

Hello, I am a 16 year old male, 191 lbs, 6’2 or 6’3. When I first started my weight loss journey I was 221 pounds and in the course of 4.5 months I’ve lost 30 pounds. To lose the weight all I’ve been doing a calorie deficit and moderate exercise (only walking). I noticed that I’ve lost just a bit of fat in my face, maybe just a ittle in my stomach yet everything else is exactly the same (chest, arm fat, thighs, muffin top, etc). I’m not expecting to have some six pack bod however now that I’m categorized as “skinny” according to the BMI why do I still look chubby? Do I need to become 160/170 pounds to lose the muffin top, chest, stomach, arm, and leg fat? Or is there another issue? I just want to have a super slim build.

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Has anyone experienced people being more rude to them after weight loss?

I am a female in my late 20s, 5'7" and went from 185 pounds to 150 pounds.

I feel like people, women in particular are more rude to me nowadays but I don't know if that's in my head because I have heard a lot of people talk about how much nicer people treat them after weight loss. I was wondering if anyone else had this kind of experience?

I have always been a shy, awkward person so it's not like my personality has changed in any way and I also dress pretty basic. My family member says it's just because people have just become a lot more rude due to COVID, which I guess is a big possibility.

also, sorry for writing so much about me, myself and I. I wanted to make this shorter but I had to meet the word count!!

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I’ve lost weight but feel fatter than ever

I started out this journey 2.5 months ago when I realized enough was enough. I talked to my friends about needing to lose weight and have slowly started going to the gym, eating better, etc. I started out at 275 lbs (5’7”, F, early 20s), and am currently sitting at 259. I know 16 pounds in 2.5 months isn’t a ton, but I’ve been struggling with discipline in my diet, so I’m happy with an overall downward trend as I try and handle the setbacks.

The challenge I’m having right now is how low my self esteem is. I was up to 275 lbs, my absolute fattest, but at 16 lbs lighter I feel fatter than ever. Looking in the mirror I’ve really realized how obese I am/look; it’s like I’m seeing me from everyone else’s perspective for the first time. I see all the markers of a morbidly obese person; double chin, huge belly, big arms/thighs/hips. I don’t like the way I look in almost all my clothes. And after being in the gym I’m really noticing how my fatness affects my daily movements and how uncomfortable being this big is, especially with so much weight in my stomach.

Pretty much, I feel worse than I did before. Even when I thought I hit rock bottom at 275 lbs, it’s nothing compared to the disappointment I’m feeling in myself right now.

Has anyone else experienced something like this? I think it might have something to do with coming out of denial about my size. Maybe now that I’m working toward losing weight I’m finally able to see the hard truth about my body because even 16 pounds lighter I’m still so big and so insanely far from my goals.

My fear is that these feelings will seriously derail my weight loss journey. I don’t want to start feeling bad and turning back to food as a coping mechanism (how I got into this situation in the first place!). Does anyone have any advice for managing self image during weight loss? Being realistic about my situation without hating every look at my body?

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