Saturday, October 1, 2022

September was smooth, October is going to be a doozy!

Hi folks! I'm trying to lose weight with a new strategy for me - pure CICO with some walking/step goals added to it. So far I'm really liking this approach, as my only point of comparison is keto, which was effective for losing weight but not a good long-term solution for me. I started losing weight again because I found about about some work travel coming up. Have a lot of anxiety about flying internationally at my weight, and figured that if I didn't try to at least lose some of it before the trips, I would regret it later. Despite making progress, I'm still very very worried about seat belt extenders, what if they kick me off the plane, etc. Hoping for some reassurance! Anyway... Travel was a good opportunity to kick start weight loss that was needed anyway. I'm generally healthy, somehow having dodged all the bullets associated with lifelong obesity. No meds, no mobility issues, no pain, no problems except not liking how I look. I want to look better and feel more confident and avoid complications in the future.

I'm 36 F 5'5, started Aug 18 at 290 lbs. By Sept 1 I was 280 (wooo water weight!). My goal is to lose 10lbs/month, understanding that at some point that will become unrealistic due to my TDEE decreasing. To achieve this goal:

  • 10lbs = 35,000 calories. 35,000 / 30 days in a month = 1167 deficit daily
  • Daily calorie goal - whatever will give me an 1167 deficit (currently 1139). Not fussed with hitting this exact number each day, instead I shoot for "around 1100"
  • Steps: 5k daily average, escalating monthly
  • Method: OMAD + snack; sometimes two smaller meals. Not overly concerned with meal timing / fasting windows; if I'm hungry I eat
  • Tracking: Chronometer, pretty lazy tracking tbh I don't include every component of a homecooked meal, just the big calorie parts

September results:

  • Total deficit: Just shy of 35k, I tripped at the finish line
  • Steps average: 5,448
  • Total weight loss: 11lbs
  • Summary: More days feeling good than not. Exercise may be impacting weight loss more than planned, because I lost an extra lb than my deficit would suggest, even with the lazy tracking

October - Goal to get out of the 260's: This month is going to be crazy. I have a birthday, and family coming to visit me from across the country. I am flying to South Africa. Not altering my goals, but will try to figure out a way to keep track through these big events, and update again here next month. Step goal goes up to 6k.

Would love to hear of others success with a similar approach. Thanks!!

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Minimal success, Phentermine as an option?

Hi everyone!

I’m a 22 y/o F, and last year I started my weight loss journey last year. I lost about 50lbs from February 2021 to December 2021. Consistently eating at a healthy calorie deficit and going to the gym helped me go from 252lbs to 200lbs and made me so much happier!

However, I started a new birth control in March 2022, and I gained 20lbs despite maintaining my diet/exercise regiment. Seeing the weight come back unfortunately led to a major depressive episode, which caused me to gain another 15lbs due to lack of motivation and discipline. I am not proud and am very ashamed, as I am now weighing in at around 235lbs.

Do you all have any additional recommendations? One of my friends took Phentermine and showed amazing progress, and while I know it works differently for everyone, I am curious to know if this is a reasonable option for me. Any suggestions, relating to Phentermine or otherwise, would be greatly appreciated!

Thank you!

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Onederland is finally here - 109lbs down, 31lbs to go!

I (26F) weighed in on Wednesday at 199.5lbs and absolutely could not believe it and thought it would shoot back up within days... today I was 198.8lbs! My highest weight was 308lbs at 5ft9in and I have lost the weight through CICO.

It's been a very long journey over several years with lots of yoyo-ing, although since getting and engaging in appropriate treatment for my mental health I've been able to sustain weight loss over the last 2.5 years (food has always been a comfort to me).

I sustained a significant herniated disc at my L5/S1 in May 2021 which left me unable to walk more than a couple of metres and I finally had surgery 8 weeks ago which has been way more successful than they imagined. I'm so pleased with myself for not using this as an excuse and I continued to lose 26lbs during those 14 months. I know that a couple of years ago I would have eaten my feelings away as a distraction, and the idea of averaging at a 1.85lb loss a month would feel pointless (oh how wrong I would be!). I didn't really try to lose anything in this time (I couldn't even stand on the scales because of the pain) and it's given me a lot of confidence for when I eventually get to a point of maintaining.

Having a serious health problem has really opened my eyes to how much I've taken my body for granted, even through losing the initial 100+lbs. As soon as I took my first steps after surgery and realised I was pain free I started to reevaluate how I wanted to live my life and what my priorities are. Since surgery I've lost 5lbs through CICO and walking 1.5/2 miles 3-5 times a week, and the neurosurgery department signed me off this week as having no restrictions on movement/exercise so I signed up to the gym and have my induction tomorrow.

I'm so excited to see where my journey goes next. I'm going to take it easy with exercise as I absolutely do not want to injure my back again, but I am SO excited to genuinely put my health first!

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Sick when I lose any weight?

Every time I lose weight, even small amounts, I get really sick until I eat a surplus of calories and gain most of it back. My symptoms are nausea, brain fog, lightheadedness, and weakness.

I don't have a very aggressive weight loss plan (.5 lb/week), and I have plenty of fat to lose, so I'm not depriving myself. I take vitamins, as I currently am suffering from parosmia so it's hard to get all the vitamins I need from food, but I have experienced this even when eating an extremely healthy diet. I also have PCOS, so that might be a contributing factor. I can lose 70lb before I'm in danger of being underweight, and my goal is to lose 40lb. I've experienced this my whole life, so it's nothing new, but I am at my heaviest after gaining about 40lb during the pandemic. I thought I'd at least be able to get to my pre-pandemic weight fairly easy by being more active, but I find I can't return to that baseline at all because of this.

Anyone experience this and have any ideas on how to combat the symptoms so I can push through it and continue to lose?

Edit: Adding a side query: does anyone know about toxins released during weight loss? I heard about it once and honestly don't understand the science, but I wonder if my fat cells have high toxins or something and maybe some kind of detox could help (although I've also heard that detoxes are useless so maybe not)

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How do you balance calorie deficit with exercise

I’m (m23, 6ft, CW 222, gw 165) struggling to balance my weight loss with my cycling. When I ride 5 to 7 hours a week, I can maintain an 800 to 1,000-calorie daily deficit. But as soon my riding increases to over 10 hours a week (almost all sub-aerobic), I can't recover on a large deficit and have to back it down to around 400 calories to be able to not pile on more fatigue day over day. How do you find the proper medium between the rate of losing weight vs. Exercise effectiveness? Or does it make sense to lose the weight as quickly as possible while jeopardizing exercise to get to a state where you can train not in a deficit?

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"Weight loss is 90% diet" is technically true... but not really

Hear me out. This sub is CICO-centric and I am not here to deny that calorie deficit = fat loss. I understand that, calorie for calorie, you will have a greater deficit through reducing calories rather than trying to 'burn' calories through exercise. I know this is where the 90/10 rule comes from: 90% of the deficit is going to have to come from diet because exercise can't burn enough calories alone to meaningfully reduce fat.

However, I think this framing REALLY undervalues exercise and how exercise indirectly HELPS you stay on track with CICO (and many other non-weight-related goals you have in life). Let me count the ways:

  1. Muscle-building and metabolism: If you focus on weight loss alone, you will not only lose fat but muscle, too. You need muscle. Especially if you strength-train, you will maintain or build muscle and, in the process, almost certainly lose fat. Your body requires more energy (and will burn more calories at rest) to maintain your muscles than it does to maintain fat. That energy = additional calories in your deficit. In other words, your TDEE gets higher and your deficit gets larger. This makes it easier to meet your CICO targets - you have more wiggle room.
  2. Post-Exercise Food Psychology: While I don't encourage anyone to feel like eating a meal "undoes your workout" you are much more likely to make a healthier choice that supports your post-workout recovery if you just put in a solid 45 minutes of work. A diet-specific change, prompted by exercise. (PS, if you don't eat after a workout to fuel your recovery, you are wasting that workout, not the other way around. Thanks to Casey Johnston for that lightbulb moment.)
  3. Energy: Exercise contributes to energy. People often eat/drink carbs/sugar because they feel tired and need a pick-me-up. By incorporating exercise, this opportunity to eat unnecessary calories is minimized. So this is a diet-specific change, prompted by exercise.
  4. Sleep: Exercise, especially strength training, improves your sleep. Improved sleep means your ghrelin levels (hunger signal hormones) are lower, you'll be less likely to make food choices based only on convenience while tired, and you will be less likely to overeat unnecessarily and therefore consume fewer calories. A diet-specific change, prompted by exercise.
  5. Stress & Mood: Exercise reduces stress/cortisol levels (they spike temporarily but in the long term, exercise is beneficial). Being less stressed means you are less likely to reach for comfort food and your hunger hormones will be less likely to be affected. A diet-specific change, prompted by exercise.
  6. Insulin levels: Many people (one estimate says 40 percent of Americans) are insulin-resistant but don't find out until their blood sugars/A1C reaches pre-diabetic or diabetic levels. Exercise helps stabilize and sensitize your insulin and helps you 'use up' your blood sugar which reduces the insulin that gets released in your system. Insulin is a fat-storing hormone. By reducing insulin, you will be more likely to use those calories to build muscle or give you energy first, rather than prioritizing fat storage. Insulin is the hormone that carries sugars to your various cells, and insulin resistance means that sugar isn't being efficiently used up by your body, which leads to sugar/carb cravings. Getting insulin controlled means fewer cravings and propensity to overeat carbohydrates. A diet-specific change, prompted by exercise. (Though if you are insulin-resistant you might need medication like metformin, inositol, berberine or other options, talk to your doc.)
  7. Endorphins: Exercise releases endorphins, the same kind you might get from eating something sugary and indulgent, so you are less likely to crave sugary foods. A diet-specific change, prompted by exercise.
  8. Strength & Health: Exercise will make you stronger and healthier. Being stronger and healthier will make everything else in your life easier, including CICO. But strength and stamina also increase faster than pounds decrease, which means you will see 'results' of your efforts more quickly and be motivated to keep going in a positive feedback loop, which likely means you'll maintain your healthful eating habits. A diet-specific change, prompted by exercise.

All of these things interact with each other, and sleep is similar to exercise in the way it affects so many underlying circumstances that affect your food needs, cravings, and choices.

So yes, calories in/calories out, eat a good nutritious high-protein, high-fiber, low-sugar diet at a deficit from your TDEE or whatever diet works best for you. You can lose weight without exercise simply by eating fewer calories than your body burns at rest. But your food choices don't exist in a vacuum. Your body responds to infinite external stimuli. If you are able, exercise contributes to creating the best conditions to help you make those food choices in the CICO equation. I think its value is misrepresented in the 90/10 framing.

I know there are plenty of people on this sub who already know all this (see post from 2 months ago here), but I'm just trying to emphasize this to people who may be new to weight loss and unsure where to direct their efforts and looking to this sub for guidance, then walk away thinking that exercise is almost pointless (see this post for example) and I have noticed that a lot of the most popular comments stop at the '90% diet' mark. The wiki's 80/20 rule mentions exercise as a way to burn extra calories and emphasizes that it's only secondary to diet when it comes to weight loss and diet should be the primary focus (though it acknowledges other benefits to exercise exist), but I believe the indirect benefits of exercise significantly affect diet enough to merit more emphasis on this sub / everywhere.

Do I have a better X/X ratio? Not really - I think food and activity are intertwined and it's not possible to disentangle one from the other in their contribution to successful long-term weight loss. My point with this post is: the 90/10 rule of thumb should not lead one to think that exercise is an afterthought for CICO-based weight loss efforts. I'd like us to emphasize that 90 percent of someone's calorie deficit is due to diet, but exercise is one key contributor to a diet that maintains a consistent deficit and leads to long-term success in fat loss.

Thanks for reading, feel free to share other ways exercise is useful for CICO!

PS - I'm not a scientist and this is my own understanding of these things, please let me know if I misrepresented anything.

PPS - I am not even touching all the reasons you should exercise no matter what weight you are or trying to be, I'm just focusing on its relation to CICO in this post. So even if you disagree with all of this, definitely try your best to incorporate activity in your life, if you are able. I do understand that many of us have chronic pain, injuries, or conditions that don't make this possible.

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[Challenge] European Accountability Challenge: October 1st, 2022

Hi team Euro accountability, I hope you’re all well!

For anyone new who wants to join today, this is a daily post where you can track your goals, keep yourself accountable, get support, and have a chat with friendly people at times that are convenient for European time zones. Check-in daily, weekly, or whatever works best for you. It’s never the wrong time to join! Anyone and everyone is welcome! Tell us about yourself and let's continue supporting each other.

For all new people that have joined this month, at the end of the month we do a roundup of what happened. we'll also talk about our goals for October.

How was your September?

You're free to structure this however you want, but think about the following topics:

  • How has your weight loss progressed? Better, or worse than expected?
  • What are some Non Scale Victories that you've experienced this month?
  • Did you set goals, did you keep to them?
  • What went well during this month, what could need improvement?
  • What important lessons did you learn?

Today is also the goal-setting day for October!!

If you're new, every first day of the month we think about small goals we want to achieve this month. They can be weight goals, exercise goals, or anything really... An important aspect is that they are SMART goals: Specific, Measurable, Attainable, Realistic, Time based...

  • Do you have a goal weight for this month, if yes, what is it? For example: maintain a 0.5kg loss a week.
  • Do you have exercise goals? For instance, get in 10.000k steps a day
  • What plans do you have for your diet? Do you have goals there?
  • What are some non-weight/exercise-related goals you have? Here, get creative. Past participants have used this section to stay accountable for their homework, learning languages, pledging not to order junk food, ...

if you’re new, please introduce yourself! Let’s kick some ass!

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