Thursday, July 23, 2020

Recent influx of teens: How we as a community can promote SAFE weight loss (TEENS please read!)

I have been noticing with quarantine/lock-down situations that we have been seeing a higher number of teens (14-18) looking for weight loss help. As most of us are adults here, we know that teens require more calories as they're still growing than what an adult with similar stats would. I'd like to use this post as a starting point for us as a community to promote and encourage HEALTHY and SUSTAINABLE habits for these teens, without shutting them down, downvoting them or suggesting deficits that are only appropriate for adults.

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I honestly have like 10 more of these posts, 16F, 15F, 17F, 17F, 18F, 14M, 15M, 16M, 14F, 14M, 17M. These posts are all from just the last few days. Whether we think these kids should be asking us for help or not, they are and for some of them, we're their only option. While medical advice should be discouraged, there is no reason we can't provide these teens with some info and some support as we do for each other.

Statistics on Teens and EDs

For many of us, our weight problems also started in our early years and as teens, we are the most vulnerable. According to these statistics (sources on the page) binge-eating disorder will occur in "0.2% and 3.5% of females and 0.9% and 2.0% of males" (Stice E & Bohon C. (2012)) in adolescence at a 40/60% split (Westerberg, D. P., & Waitz, M. (2013)). Furthermore, "Three out of ten individuals looking for weight loss treatments show signs of BED" (Westerberg, D. P., & Waitz, M. (2013). In a different study, it was found that "Males represent 25% of individuals with anorexia nervosa, and they are at a higher risk of dying, in part because they are often diagnosed later since many people assume males don’t have eating disorders" (Mond, J.M., Mitchison, D., & Hay, P. (2014)).

I am not saying all these posters have eating disorders. But in an additional study, it was found that "in a large study of 14– and 15-year-olds, dieting was the most important predictor of a developing eating disorder" (Golden, N. H., Schneider, M., & Wood, C. (2016)). There are some more horrible statistics there under the Dieting subheading, but what I am saying here is that these teens are coming to us for help and they are vulnerable, so our advice should be considerate of this.

Yes, They Should See A Doctor/GP

We are not medical professionals, and offering dietary advice to impressionable or at-risk teens is not what this sub is for, nor are almost any of us qualified to do. So yes, our first question or comment should ask "Do you have access to a doctor/GP, and will your parents take you?". Follow-up questions can include suggesting gym teachers, coaches, school counsellors or trusted teachers or other adults.

However, as an Australian I often need to remind myself that a majority of people on Reddit are American, and therefore the answer isn't always as simple as "go to the doctor". Many of these teens may be embarrassed and haven't spoken to their families about their concerns; many of them can't afford to go at all; many of them have parents who won't take them or will give them their own advice instead. Instead, they've reached out to us.

Meanwhile, a massive amount of the posts I've referenced often speak about other issues such as bullying at home or school and depression or other mental illnesses. In all cases where this is mentioned, seeing a doctor or trusted adult should be priority no. 1. In the meantime, there are other pieces of information we can provide to support these posters.

"We Need Your Stats" & Teen BMI Calculator

"Even among clearly non-overweight girls, over 1/3 report dieting." - Source - Wertheim, E., Paxton, S., &Blaney, S. (2009)

Even for adults, the advice we give each other here is heavily dependent on height and weight. We often direct each other to the TDEE calculator, and say "eat 500 calories less than your maintenance". What's important (for everyone, not just teens) is to actually check whether they are obese, overweight or a normal weight. I have absolutely run a teenager's stats through a calculator and found they were a healthy weight or even underweight before on their posts asking for weight loss help. For these teens, the below caloric minimums could be helpful as well, to make sure they are eating enough. Additionally, we can recommend any number of the wonderful fitness subs out there to encourage them to move more, but they need no further help from us if they are at a healthy weight.

The Baylor College of Medicine - Children's Nutrition Research Center provides this BMI calculator for children and teens. We should all have this link in our back pockets to provide to teens, as it is designed especially for them.

With this info, our next question can be "Can you put your info into this calculator and tell us whether it says you are obese, overweight or a healthy weight?".

Teens Need More Calories Than Adults With The Same Stats

"Because the teenage years are a time of rapid growth and development, teenagers require more calories to sustain and fuel this growth." - Motley Health

I know that CICO is king. It's basic science and it works. But for teens, a focus on calorie-counting and "dieting" is linked to dangerous eating habits and self-esteem issues. Instead, it is recommended that adults "promote a balanced diet and exercise for fitness (not weight loss)" when speaking to teens about healthy eating.

However, it would be impossible for a teenager to look at this sub and not see a lot of conversation about calorie-counting and deficits. Therefore, Motley Health recommend the following caloric guides for teens.

Caloric needs of Girls and Young Women

Age/years Sedentary Low activity High activity
12-13 1700 2000 2250
14-16 1750 2100 2350
17-18 1750 2100 2400

Caloric needs of Boys and Young Men

Age/years Sedentary Low activity High activity
12-13 1900 2250 2600
14-16 2300 2700 3100
17-18 2450 2900 3300

These caloric guides are further supported by similar numbers here at VeryWellFit, which cites Lifshitz F. 2008 and a health.gov Dietary Guidelines appendix.

Considering the above research and the calorie guides here, our next question should be "How active are you?". Motley Health suggests the following definitions to go along with the above charts.

  • Sedentary means that you do nothing, just sit on a sofa watching television, and often eating.
  • Low activity is for people that walk a little every day, such as to and from school, as well as some occasional sports, such as compulsory physical education lessons.
  • High activity is for anyone that does regular exercise, such as daily running, working out with a sports team or training in the gym 2-3 times a week.

With this information, we can combine our recommended 1lb/0.4kg a week loss with a deficit of 500 calories from these guides. Motley Health even states that a 1000 calorie deficit could be possible, but I am combining their recommendations with this sub's general philosophy.

The Baylor College of Medicine - Children's Nutrition Research Center also provides this Healthy Eating Calculator for teens and children, which instead of outputting raw numbers takes the user through a guide of what their diet should look like based on their activity level. We can redirect teens to this calculator as we would an adult poster to the TDEE Calculator.

Be Supportive

Ultimately, these teens are often posting here as a result of feeling low or helpless. We are so much more than a 500 calorie deficit. We can talk to them about their habits outside of their weight, what foods they like, commiserate with difficult home or school situations because we've all been there. We don't need to be afraid that we will accidentally encourage something harmful if we use the tools and information at our disposal as a result of our own research and hard work.

TL;DR

Questions to Ask Teen Posters

  • Do you have access to a doctor/GP, and will your parents take you? Follow-up questions can include suggesting gym teachers, coaches, school counsellors or trusted teachers or other adults.
  • Can you put your info into this calculator and tell us whether it says you are obese, overweight or a healthy weight?
  • How active are you? Examples of sedentary, low and high activity in the post under Teens Need More Calories subheading

Tools To Give Them

Further Reading

If any of you out there have any more resources or suggestions, put them here so our community can use it!

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Weight Loss Plateau

I've been losing weight for a little less than a month but I've recently hit a weight loss plateau..? In the past 3 weeks I lost around 3kgs but this week I stayed the same weight and even gained back 0.3kgs. I thought about eating less to lose weight but I'm already eating very little by itself - I don't have a calorie count but my parents always tell me to eat more because I finish my meals early because I'm eating so little. I also work out around 4 times a week and I don't want to add more days because I think it would be really stressful for my life.

I don't know how to offset this weight loss plateau without damaging my metabolism by drastically decreasing my calories again. Does anyone have any tips?

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finally started my fitness journey and have a question about adapting to sudden lifestyle changes

i’ve been lurking on this sub for a few months now and finally started my weight loss journey this last monday.

i’ve been overweight my whole life and i’ve gotten increasingly tired of not being able to enjoy myself like a twenty-one year old dude should (i’m also scared shitless of dying to covid-19 or a preventable disease, but that’s besides the point). i refuse to take pictures with my girlfriend because i can’t stand looking at myself, i can’t fit on any of the rides at the local amusement park, and i can barely make it up the stairs without feeling winded.

i’ve started counting my calories as well as experimenting with intermittent fasting, both of which have gone great so far! i also vowed to start going on nightly walks and i’ve clocked in at over 10k steps every day since monday. it’s only been a couple of days, but i feel so much more energized ... i even had this overwhelming urge to run on my walk this evening which is something i haven’t experienced in years. i’m totally excited for this journey.

all that aside, my main question is this: how long does it take for the sore muscles to subside? when will my body get used to exercise and when will i be able to walk farther and faster? i’ve been pretty sedimentary since quarantine began, so the sudden change from 1k steps a day to 10k is kinda kicking my ass. are there any stretches you can recommend? methods to keep daily walks interesting?

thanks! :)

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Wednesday, July 22, 2020

I've done CICO for 100 days. Here's what I found.

I don't know about you guys, but I really struggle with weight loss. It's super discouraging to see my weight stay the same or even go up. I have given up numerous times in the past, but in April I decided no more excuses and that I was going to finally do this.

I've been recording my weight loss journey on twitter in a little thread, checking in daily to record my losses and gains. I have been weighing every day, which I know for some is frowned upon, but I am glad I did. I just reached 100 days of counting, and I decided to go back and count up how many days I lost weight, how many days I maintained, and how many days I gained weight.

The results were surprising.

I have lost 18.6 lbs since April 15th.

I gained weight on 22 days.

I maintained weight on 53 days.

I lost weight on 25 days.

My numbers show that 3/4 of the time, I was either maintaining or gaining. But I still lost.

It can be EXTREMELY discouraging when you don't see that number go down or when it stays the same, especially when you are doing everything right. But it's all part of the process.

I think it helps to see that you will see results, as long as you are consistent. I have a long ways to go, but I'm going to continue to record every day and see if this pattern continues.

I wish you all luck with your weight loss journeys!

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Mental Issues and Weight Loss

I am looking for advice. I have been trying to lose weight for years off and on. Starting out I was 176 and now 170. I am a 5'1" Female and am 32 years old. Well, the last 3 months I have been really trying. But I haven't seen any real change. Maybe an inch in 3 months. The scale won't move for the last 2 months. I tried taking pictures, but to me I see no difference.

I also suffer from periodic depression and anxiety. I was thinking that maybe I should start seeing a counselor about my issues and seeing if that will help in other areas. It is hard with the price of counseling but with some recent possible health issues creeping up (I am getting more testing done), I really want to get in shape.

I was wondering if anyone else has had their mental issues interfer with your progress and what did you do to fix it.

I have been doing IF 18:6, going to the gym 2 to 3 times a week doing C25K. Thank you for your guys time.

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need advice on weight loss/feeling insecure.

18/F/174cm(5’9) currently around 74kg (163lbs) and i’m trying to lose around 10-15kg (22lbs-33lbs). I do have a naturally slender/athletic frame though which i find makes it fairly easy to lose weight and difficult to put it on.

I put on a lot of weight in a really short amount of time in the last few years due to depression, which has caused me to feel real insecure about how I look though.

While I’m by no means overweight or fat, I don’t feel happy with myself currently and wish I was thinner but i’m pretty scared of having excess skin after I lose weight. (I’m not sure if 10kg is even enough weight to have excess skin if im being honest). Does skin shrink back up? How much weight would someone have to lose to have excess skin?

I started exercising again, and I’m using an exercise bike (30mins) as well as walking for 60mins/6km (3.7miles) a day.

While I don’t have any problems when It comes to overeating and I’m capable of monitoring what I eat, my relatives who I live with tend to buy a fuck ton of unhealthy food which is the only thing I’m given to eat.

I’m also pretty insecure about fat I have around my abdomen more than anywhere else, and I’m not sure how to lose this and tone myself up.

Is there any advice someone can give me? Thanks in advance.

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I'm tired of discreet fat shaming

It's obvious. When girls give shocked or sympathetic faces when you tell them your dress size. When you get asked, "Are you really going to eat that?" when taking seconds even though that skinny person on the right is on their third full serving and you've tried to split a full meal in half to avoid going overboard. The awkward tension when a weight loss ad comes up. When you feel ostracized from a normal social life for your weight.

I'm trying to ignore it, but it's hard to tune it out when you can see the half smiles and sideways glances on their faces, like they're finding amusement out of making you feel ashamed or if it's some type of inside joke for those with smaller waists.

I'll do my best to avoid it getting to me. I have a plan for weight loss and I'm going to stick to it till I achieve my goal and some more. ♡

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