Saturday, October 1, 2022

How do you balance calorie deficit with exercise

I’m (m23, 6ft, CW 222, gw 165) struggling to balance my weight loss with my cycling. When I ride 5 to 7 hours a week, I can maintain an 800 to 1,000-calorie daily deficit. But as soon my riding increases to over 10 hours a week (almost all sub-aerobic), I can't recover on a large deficit and have to back it down to around 400 calories to be able to not pile on more fatigue day over day. How do you find the proper medium between the rate of losing weight vs. Exercise effectiveness? Or does it make sense to lose the weight as quickly as possible while jeopardizing exercise to get to a state where you can train not in a deficit?

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"Weight loss is 90% diet" is technically true... but not really

Hear me out. This sub is CICO-centric and I am not here to deny that calorie deficit = fat loss. I understand that, calorie for calorie, you will have a greater deficit through reducing calories rather than trying to 'burn' calories through exercise. I know this is where the 90/10 rule comes from: 90% of the deficit is going to have to come from diet because exercise can't burn enough calories alone to meaningfully reduce fat.

However, I think this framing REALLY undervalues exercise and how exercise indirectly HELPS you stay on track with CICO (and many other non-weight-related goals you have in life). Let me count the ways:

  1. Muscle-building and metabolism: If you focus on weight loss alone, you will not only lose fat but muscle, too. You need muscle. Especially if you strength-train, you will maintain or build muscle and, in the process, almost certainly lose fat. Your body requires more energy (and will burn more calories at rest) to maintain your muscles than it does to maintain fat. That energy = additional calories in your deficit. In other words, your TDEE gets higher and your deficit gets larger. This makes it easier to meet your CICO targets - you have more wiggle room.
  2. Post-Exercise Food Psychology: While I don't encourage anyone to feel like eating a meal "undoes your workout" you are much more likely to make a healthier choice that supports your post-workout recovery if you just put in a solid 45 minutes of work. A diet-specific change, prompted by exercise. (PS, if you don't eat after a workout to fuel your recovery, you are wasting that workout, not the other way around. Thanks to Casey Johnston for that lightbulb moment.)
  3. Energy: Exercise contributes to energy. People often eat/drink carbs/sugar because they feel tired and need a pick-me-up. By incorporating exercise, this opportunity to eat unnecessary calories is minimized. So this is a diet-specific change, prompted by exercise.
  4. Sleep: Exercise, especially strength training, improves your sleep. Improved sleep means your ghrelin levels (hunger signal hormones) are lower, you'll be less likely to make food choices based only on convenience while tired, and you will be less likely to overeat unnecessarily and therefore consume fewer calories. A diet-specific change, prompted by exercise.
  5. Stress & Mood: Exercise reduces stress/cortisol levels (they spike temporarily but in the long term, exercise is beneficial). Being less stressed means you are less likely to reach for comfort food and your hunger hormones will be less likely to be affected. A diet-specific change, prompted by exercise.
  6. Insulin levels: Many people (one estimate says 40 percent of Americans) are insulin-resistant but don't find out until their blood sugars/A1C reaches pre-diabetic or diabetic levels. Exercise helps stabilize and sensitize your insulin and helps you 'use up' your blood sugar which reduces the insulin that gets released in your system. Insulin is a fat-storing hormone. By reducing insulin, you will be more likely to use those calories to build muscle or give you energy first, rather than prioritizing fat storage. Insulin is the hormone that carries sugars to your various cells, and insulin resistance means that sugar isn't being efficiently used up by your body, which leads to sugar/carb cravings. Getting insulin controlled means fewer cravings and propensity to overeat carbohydrates. A diet-specific change, prompted by exercise. (Though if you are insulin-resistant you might need medication like metformin, inositol, berberine or other options, talk to your doc.)
  7. Endorphins: Exercise releases endorphins, the same kind you might get from eating something sugary and indulgent, so you are less likely to crave sugary foods. A diet-specific change, prompted by exercise.
  8. Strength & Health: Exercise will make you stronger and healthier. Being stronger and healthier will make everything else in your life easier, including CICO. But strength and stamina also increase faster than pounds decrease, which means you will see 'results' of your efforts more quickly and be motivated to keep going in a positive feedback loop, which likely means you'll maintain your healthful eating habits. A diet-specific change, prompted by exercise.

All of these things interact with each other, and sleep is similar to exercise in the way it affects so many underlying circumstances that affect your food needs, cravings, and choices.

So yes, calories in/calories out, eat a good nutritious high-protein, high-fiber, low-sugar diet at a deficit from your TDEE or whatever diet works best for you. You can lose weight without exercise simply by eating fewer calories than your body burns at rest. But your food choices don't exist in a vacuum. Your body responds to infinite external stimuli. If you are able, exercise contributes to creating the best conditions to help you make those food choices in the CICO equation. I think its value is misrepresented in the 90/10 framing.

I know there are plenty of people on this sub who already know all this (see post from 2 months ago here), but I'm just trying to emphasize this to people who may be new to weight loss and unsure where to direct their efforts and looking to this sub for guidance, then walk away thinking that exercise is almost pointless (see this post for example) and I have noticed that a lot of the most popular comments stop at the '90% diet' mark. The wiki's 80/20 rule mentions exercise as a way to burn extra calories and emphasizes that it's only secondary to diet when it comes to weight loss and diet should be the primary focus (though it acknowledges other benefits to exercise exist), but I believe the indirect benefits of exercise significantly affect diet enough to merit more emphasis on this sub / everywhere.

Do I have a better X/X ratio? Not really - I think food and activity are intertwined and it's not possible to disentangle one from the other in their contribution to successful long-term weight loss. My point with this post is: the 90/10 rule of thumb should not lead one to think that exercise is an afterthought for CICO-based weight loss efforts. I'd like us to emphasize that 90 percent of someone's calorie deficit is due to diet, but exercise is one key contributor to a diet that maintains a consistent deficit and leads to long-term success in fat loss.

Thanks for reading, feel free to share other ways exercise is useful for CICO!

PS - I'm not a scientist and this is my own understanding of these things, please let me know if I misrepresented anything.

PPS - I am not even touching all the reasons you should exercise no matter what weight you are or trying to be, I'm just focusing on its relation to CICO in this post. So even if you disagree with all of this, definitely try your best to incorporate activity in your life, if you are able. I do understand that many of us have chronic pain, injuries, or conditions that don't make this possible.

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[Challenge] European Accountability Challenge: October 1st, 2022

Hi team Euro accountability, I hope you’re all well!

For anyone new who wants to join today, this is a daily post where you can track your goals, keep yourself accountable, get support, and have a chat with friendly people at times that are convenient for European time zones. Check-in daily, weekly, or whatever works best for you. It’s never the wrong time to join! Anyone and everyone is welcome! Tell us about yourself and let's continue supporting each other.

For all new people that have joined this month, at the end of the month we do a roundup of what happened. we'll also talk about our goals for October.

How was your September?

You're free to structure this however you want, but think about the following topics:

  • How has your weight loss progressed? Better, or worse than expected?
  • What are some Non Scale Victories that you've experienced this month?
  • Did you set goals, did you keep to them?
  • What went well during this month, what could need improvement?
  • What important lessons did you learn?

Today is also the goal-setting day for October!!

If you're new, every first day of the month we think about small goals we want to achieve this month. They can be weight goals, exercise goals, or anything really... An important aspect is that they are SMART goals: Specific, Measurable, Attainable, Realistic, Time based...

  • Do you have a goal weight for this month, if yes, what is it? For example: maintain a 0.5kg loss a week.
  • Do you have exercise goals? For instance, get in 10.000k steps a day
  • What plans do you have for your diet? Do you have goals there?
  • What are some non-weight/exercise-related goals you have? Here, get creative. Past participants have used this section to stay accountable for their homework, learning languages, pledging not to order junk food, ...

if you’re new, please introduce yourself! Let’s kick some ass!

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Friday, September 30, 2022

I don’t understand?

Advice wanted.

So I’ve always been a heavier guy. I put on weight really easily and have to work really hard to get it off. I’ve always worked out and have gone through stages of being relatively fit then very quickly unfit.

I recently did this again when Christmas rolled around, I was doing studies, moving to another state and then I broke my foot which stopped my from working out for 6 months (requiring surgery & physical)

So about 2 months ago I decided I unfortunately just don’t have the genetics to half ass this anymore and decided to commit fully. I started working out 5 times a week, eating healthier then I’ve done in a very long time and actually committed to counting my calories. I’m 180cm tall, in my early 30’s and weighed 106kg at the time. With my fitness pal and a couple online calorie calculator I could see that if I consumed 2200 cal a day I’d be in the medium to high weight loss category if I worked out constantly.

For the first time every I was consistent with calorie counting! I’ve dieted and worked out hard in the past and had great results. However I decided to weigh myself today and I’ve actually gained 2kgs!!!! Like what the actual f**k!??

And I’ve been tracking my calorie for over very carefully for over a month now as the first month I was not really committing but still dieting and exercising consistently. How is this even possible? Should I be on even less calories? The foods I’ve been eating at all high protein? I’ve been drinking at least 3L of water a day and doing 4 days of weight training and one day of cardio.

Please any advice would be great cause I have no idea what the hell is happening!?

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For the 1,000,000th time, eating less does not mean I have an eating disorder

Seriously whenever people ask what I’m doing about my weight (not in a rude way just a curious way), when I feel like sharing I’ll tell the truth because I hate lying, and say I’m eating less. I then always no matter what get a shocked and concerned reaction, as if I just told them I’m shooting heroin or something. I got this so much I now make sure right after that I say “I’m still eating 1,600 calories a day, giving myself treats every now and then”, etc. but by then it feels like I’m defensive (which I am since I don’t want people to have that impression of me) and they believe me even less and give me the “yeah… right…” look and nod.

The thing is when people ask I want to share! I have been bottling up these good vibes from my weight loss so far and whenever someone asks I just want to share because I feel so good, but then I get this crap…

Can someone reassure me (or be honest if I’m wrong) and tell me, do I sound like someone with an ED?

I-

  • eat three meals a day

  • my calorie limit is 1,680, I usually end up between 1,400 and 1,600 though

  • weigh myself every couple days (maybe 3-4 times a week)

  • never purged

  • I’m losing weight for health reasons to try and reverse a condition I’ve got, sure I look and feel better with lower weight but that’s just a sprinkle on top.

  • I lose about 4-6lb a month (SW 245, CW 225, H 5”4, female, zero exercise)

Like… I don’t get why everyone attributes eating less = must have an eating disorder.

And now whenever someone asks and I share with them, before i finish I make sure to say “I still eat a bunch just not crazy portions, I’m still eating”, but I think that just makes them more suspicious. I can never win.

Does anyone else deal with this? Any ideas?

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Im at my goal weight but i still need to lose more fat, give me some advice please.

Hello reddit, Im a 25 year old male who is 175 cm tall and weighs 70 kg, my weight loss journey has come to an end last month, i wanted to lose a little bit more to get to 10-12% body fat, im curently at around 14%, so i should be cutting more but i feel so drained from having this calorie deficit its affecting me way more now than before, i feel light headed, way more hungry and my weightlifting has started to hit a wall, not enough energy to keep proggresive overload. So i started to eat at maintanance for about a month and my lifting has improved a lot i put more weight in all exercises and also i can keep doing it more in 1 week because my recovery also has improved a lot, and i started to think, what if i keep eating at maintanace for 6 months and lift weights, will this be a good idea to drop the last 5-8 pounds of fat by gaining muscle at maintanance or is a bad idea and i should just take a 3 months maintanance break and after do again a full cut?

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30 Day Accountability Challenge - October Sign Ups

Hello lovely losers!

It’s almost a new month. October looms! Let’s welcome spooky season in with some goals!

For the newbies to the sub reddit, please start here, so much good info!

https://www.reddit.com/r/loseit/wiki/quick_start_guide

https://www.reddit.com/r/loseit/wiki/faq

And hey, maybe it’s not a bad idea to review them anyway to you returning conquerors. I do occasionally to remind myself of the basics.

Let’s break down what goes on here, shall we?

This is the sign-up post to outline your goals, weight loss, self-care, creative, whatever keeps you going.

There will be a daily update post for you to post how your day went, you can use whichever daily post fits your time zone if that’s an issue too.

At the end of the month, there is a wrap up post to reflect on the progress you made or didn’t make & what you learned. Learning is progress, don’t forget that.

We try to foster a supportive, caring place to discuss the actual day to day of deficits & counting & caring so much about how we fuel our bodies & lives. So be kind, interact if you like & hopefully you feel supported and cared for. Leading by example, here I go!

2000 calories a day (lose two pounds this month):

Exercise 5 days a week (strength work/tbar swings 3 days a week): X/X days.

Write stuff: So nebulous. I'll fine tune it a bit for tomorrow. Next month is Nanowrimo so I'm tempted to shelve the project until then.

Today's gratitude list: Today, I'm grateful for -

Random to do list item I want to conquer today: Sometimes this one gets weird.

Enough of that boring stuff, how about you all? What does your October hold?

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