Sunday, September 19, 2021

Listened to an old ep of the "You're Wrong About" podcast on obesity. How correct is this info?

I'm a 31 year old man, I exercise regularly, I'm 5'8 and 193 lb, which is the heaviest I've ever been. I've been trying to get my weight down to about 180, nothing too dramatic. To do so I've just been exercising and using the MyFitnessPal ap to count calories. I'm not doing a crash diet, my plan is slow and steady weight loss down to my goal.

I just listened to an episode of the "You're Wrong About" podcast on the obesity epidemic, and while I find most of their episodes very informative, I found this one discouraging. They basically said that, based on research, when humans hit a new peak weight, their body will forever try to get them back to that weight, and that sustainable weight loss is "impossible."

So even if I were to try to lose weight and go from 193 down to 180 or 175, my body would just go a little nuts and slow down my metabolism, make me feel hungry all the time, etc. until I got back to 193.

How accurate or inaccurate is this? I found it a bit demoralizing.

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Running With LoseIt - 9/19/2021 - Running Science Sunday

This has become an on-again-off-again post about Running in LoseIt.

All levels of runner are welcome here, from first timers to experienced marathoners. We welcome someone who just ran for the first time or is just starting couch to 5K (r/c25k) as eagerly as someone who has thousands of miles of experience.

This post is for sharing your weekly progress or excitement with running. From training you got in this last week, your first run, a virtual race, or a real race, we'd love to hear what you did. Got a running related NSV (non-scale victory), we'd love to hear. Have a question or need advice, we are here to help.

In addition to sharing your progress each week, I ramble on about some topic related to running. This week's topic - science of overweight and obese running.

Update on posting: Sorry, it's been over a month since my last post. I remain crazy extremely busy but it should even out going forward.

Science is Cool

Given the current pandemic, I feel like science is getting a good thrashing lately. I love science and studies. But science is also full of contradictions. You can find one study that tells you "it's good to drink chocolate milk" to aid in recovery and another that tells you, "chocolate milk is just better than water, because calories and fat." (Personally, I avoid drinking calories and I prefer strawberry milk.)

I've collected some science below that largely in favor of running for LoseIt folks. But I also included some that aren't, too. Trigger Warning: obese and BMI is used extensively in science studies and I use that below.

Running while Obese will Hurt Your Knees

Guess what? Nope. Recent study from Jul 2020 -- https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32605464/. In fact, running in general won't hurt your knees [2017 study] compared to not running.

The common idea that extra weight will lead to more injury here is unfounded. You will get less injuries than normal weight runners.

"The proportion of running-related knee injuries was 13% lower among overweight runners compared with normal-weight runners. Similarly, the proportion of running-related knee injuries was 12% lower among obese runners compared with normal-weight runners." I personally think this is because as an obese runner I go slower and speed is a factor in injury.

Non-running/Obese: There's definitely good evidence that a high BMI is bad for your knees [2013 study] long term.

Fasted Running vs. Non-Fasted Running

This 2014 study says there's no difference -- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4242477/

It doesn't matter if you workout fasted or not. Do what feels best. "In conclusion, our findings indicate that body composition changes associated with aerobic exercise in conjunction with a hypocaloric diet are similar regardless whether or not an individual is fasted prior to training."

Running vs. Walking for Weight Loss

This 2013 study compared the two and running wins -- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4067491/

There's more than just calories burned here. Intensity of the exercise makes a difference. From an article about this study -- "The same amount of exercise in adults with a body mass index over 28 (deemed overweight) resulted in 90 percent greater weight loss for runners compared to walkers, he found."Running is more effective than walking in preventing weight gain and achieving weight loss," he said. Both groups shed pounds, but the runners lost more, Williams found."

Avoiding Getting Injured from Running

Couch to 5K is the way to go here. But if you want proof that easing into running is required --

This 2018 study of new obese runners -- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6253747/ -- shows running too much as a novice leads to more injury -- in this case they started people running 3km a week versus 6km.

"An injury was sustained by seven participants (12.5%) during the 4-week follow-up. Two participants were injured in the 3km intervention (6.9%). Five participants were injured in the 6km intervention (18.5%)."

Running for Distance Program lead to Overuse Injury

This 2018 study shows why some obese runners have injury issues with training plans -- https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29932876/

I run slower than many other runners. Running a mile/km based plan for me or paying too much attention to distance during training will lead to very long running sessions -- too long. "Overweight and obese runners selected a similar training dose [aka "distance"] to that of normal-weight runners when starting a self-chosen running regime. This may partly explain the higher running-injury risk among overweight and obese runners compared with normal-weight runners observed by other studies."

Can Running correct more than just weight in the obese?

This 2019 study shows running is one of the best activities to reverse the broad negative health indicators that come along with obesity -- https://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1008277.

Interesting study that looks at a bunch of types of exercise and sees which not only lowers weight but improves other factors, called genetic risk scores (body fat %, waist & hip measurements, waist-to-hip ratio). From the results, "It is interesting that, across all 5 obesity measures, regular jogging consistently presented the most significant interactions with [obesity genetic risk scores]."

Downsides

Surely there are bad studies about running while obese? Oh yes, there are -- especially with feet/ankles.

Running while obese/overweight weakens feet muscles

https://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1008277

"To prevent foot pain and injuries related to excessive foot pressures, at the start of the weight control process non-weight bearing rather than weight-bearing exercise is advisable."

I had plantar pain/discomfort for a decade leading up to my weight loss. Losing weight did not by itself make it go away and I had regular boughts of plantar pain. But good cross training has really helped and I think my regular walking/good shoes assists. I no longer wear any shoe inserts.

Obese/Overwight Running Gait and impact forces

It's not all sunshine and kittens. Stay prudent.

https://www.clinbiomech.com/article/S0268-0033(13)00008-9/fulltext00008-9/fulltext)

Two key sentences here, "Absolute maximum ground reaction forces were increased while maximum hip power absorption was reduced for overweight adults," and, "As a result the joint surfaces of overweight adults are exposed to increased loading."

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Healthy habits, still overweight

I'm glad I introduced healthier habits into my life and cut out a lot of bad choices. Makes me feel better about myself. Heck I only eat at one restaurant now and it's special occasion only. Homemade pizza once a month. Gum chewing instead of snacking when stress hits. Water, tea or milk for drinking. Less processed, more home cooking. I mean I could go on. And with a recent work promotion, I'm on my feet running around all day so exercise is no issue (on days off I go jogging)

And yet, I'm still not losing weight. My doctor says "just eat healthier" but seriously, unless I only eat lettuce for meals (non cooked leafs make me gag) there's not much I can do to improve. Kinda frustrating that I'm not making any weight loss progress after 6 months of changing lifestyle habits.

Am I just destined to be chubby? Do I have to live with lack of self esteem and anxiety over clothing sizes? Are my only options the drastic ones? I mean I'm not like obese or anything. Slightly overweight but it bothers me and doctors keep saying "you really need to lose 10-20 lbs" (oh like I don't know that)

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10 month diet complete! 5'9 205 -> 143

I just want to share a bit about how my personal process went and what I eat (keep in mind im literally a homeless long haul trucker). I got VERY out of shape/overweight and very depressed about 1.5 years into trucking and really made up my mind to do something about it back in December. I was eating fast food at truck stops almost exclusively and just every bad snack you can think of while driving without any exercise. I first went with nutrisysyem for a few months and the beginnings of working out ( I'm talking like 20 pushups 3x per week). The nutrisystem was amazing to start with to be honest, I think I was losing 10-20 lbs a month just off that, but really thats not sustainable because it's not very healthy.. or tasty really. I learned about nutrition from r/fitness, their wiki is really a weight loss Bible that i studied. I slowly transferred over to eating food that I could get at grocery stores or order online. My workouts got slowly better, a planet fitness membership, a mat/jumprope for cardio/calisthenics on the ground outside my truck. I had to really just do what worked for me but my mind was loving it. I had a scale that I got online that I started tracking my weight/body fat with and it was addicting watching my weight go down consistently, it made it so almost everything I did/do is about weight loss. My goal at the start was 165 but I hit that pretty fast I think and I still had a bunch of belly fat so I kept going because actually I really enjoy my new diet so its no big deal. My new goal was 160 then 155 than 150 than 145.. finally at here at 143 I really really don't want to lose anymore, I've been on maintenance calories for about 3 weeks and it feels great it's almost hard to eat enough sometimes because when you don't eat any junk food calories are actually kinda hard to find.

Anyways my point is that you have to find a system that works for you in your schedule that you can be ok with and that you can sustain, start small and work your way into something, maybe start with only drinking water and see where that leads and learn as much as you can. Here is what my current diet looks like and it keeps me very satiated.

Aikos 000 Greek yogurt - 100 Trufit protein powder - 170 Nut-ritius Peanuts- 200 Walmart salad - 300 Pre workout Banana- 100 Post workout muscle milk - 310 Fiber cracker - 100 Atkins bar - 200 Ground chicken - 100 Corn/butter- 100

Drinks - only water

If I don't workout I don't eat the muscle milk or banana, this is my maintenance eating, before I was eating without the salad or Atkins bar so around 1200 for a few months. Please don't look at this and copy it, this works great for me because I have very limited access to shopping and cooking, but it does work great for me, my energy level is even all day and I really have a constant nice feeling. Before and after of me if your interested. (I also had a succesful 4 month accutane treatment for acne)

http://imgur.com/a/rl7MR4v

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Starting my weight loss journey

Hey guys, just joined this sub yesterday after reading through it all day. I'm the heaviest I've been at 265 pounds. I'm 26 and 6'0 feet tall. In highschool I was fit and played football and biked to school every day. After highschool I did zero exercise and played video games and ate whatever I wanted. I'm tired of being "the fat friend" or the guy that people say "wow he gained a lot of weight" behind my back. I want my confidence back. My goal weight is 205 pounds and it began yesterday. I'm very new to counting calories, I'm using the MyFitnessPal app. I did a TDEE calculation and It was just over 3k calories.

I've decided to go with 1800 calories a day making it a 1200 calorie deficit. So far I'm feeling great and I'm not nearly as hungry as I thought I would be. I'm just wondering if a 1200 calorie deficit is too much? Also, I'm wondering how much weight I should be expecting to lose weekly on 1800 calories a day. Should I also be taking some vitamins? I have no plans on working out, my job is somewhat physical I lift heavy things and I'm on my feet all day. If anyone has any words of encouragement or tips for those soda cravings, I'm all ears! Super excited to change my health for the better.

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*sigh* haven’t lost the weight I wanted to and hate how I look.

I’ve been more of a lurker on this subreddit but just need to vent. Apologies if this isn’t the right place.

I started losing weight around April 2020 and got off to a really good start. My goal was to lose around 70lbs for my wedding (that’s this Friday). The main goal is to be healthier but the date helped me keep on track.

Ive managed to lose 40lbs but I had a mental breakdown and started 2 new jobs in this time. Obviously weight fluctuated and I didn’t get to my goal of 70lbs. I’m pleased with my weight loss but I still struggle with how my body looks. I was just steaming my dress ready for Friday and I noticed how I’ve stretched the stitching around the zip. I also keep picturing how my stomach looks (problem area) and I’ve just hit a low point.

I can’t wait to get married, but just hate how I’ll look. Luckily it’ll just be the two of us, so I won’t have my parents making snide comments (looking forward to that when the pictures come back).

Anyway, just wanted to get that off my chest. Everyone is doing amazing and keep focused!

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I am addicted to ground turkey.

I can’t stop using ground Turkey for everything. For some, a important part of meal prep is mixing up the food. In a way this applies to me, but I seem to constantly use ground Turkey as a staple and spaghetti squash is a close second. Over last few weeks my meal prep dinners have included Buffalo chicken stuffed zucchini (one of two doesn’t include ground Turkey lol), taco bowls w/ ground Turkey, spaghetti make with spaghetti squash and ground Turkey in the sauce, shrimp fajitas (second meal without), pepper stuffed meatloaf made with ground Turkey, “stir fry” with spaghetti squash, ground Turkey, and sautéed veggies, a sweet potato skillet with ground turkey and veggies cooked in a thai sauce, butter “chicken” except I just used ground Turkey and added some veggies.

The list goes on and on. Occasionally I make a pretty tasty pork chop. But for the most part, while the types of food in cooking vary- I’m pretty much always eating ground Turkey in something. I think it’s quick and easy to cook and soaks up any kind of seasoning perfectly! I honestly hate cooking ground beef… so much more grease! Ground Turkey doesn’t need to be drained, it’s pretty lean, so easy. Anyone else have a constant in their weight loss journey?

Edit: can’t wait for it to cool down so I can make Turkey chili! Lol

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