Sunday, November 18, 2018

Caught between recovery and weight loss? (TW: ED)

Hi all, I hope this is okay to post here.

I'm 160cm/ 65kg. My BMI is around ~25. In this current bout of weight loss I've lost 10kg, gained back 4kg.

I'm really struggling right now to make a decision on what to do with my weight loss. I am still borderline u healthy BMI, and because I'm so short, every extra kg really shows. I've been a fluctuation of weights, my lowest being around 54kg and my highest in the upper 70s. My ideal weight would be somewhere around 50-55kg.

I've had a really complicated relationship with food my entire life. I've suffered from (undiagnosed) eating disorder behaviour that tends to come in phases of intense calorie restriction and uncontrollable binge/ punishment eating. I'm forcing myself out of a restriction phase right now, and as a result...I'm bingeing as punishment to myself for not calorie counting. Logic!

I really, really cannot keep having this insane relationship with food. It's gruelling and tiresome. I love food. I love to cook and bake and eat. But at the same time I spiral and become obsessed with calories, weight, etc.

After /r/proED was deleted I was declined from their discord and it felt like a wakeup call. I don't want to do this anymore. I deleted Lose It and I've stopped keeping exact track of calories (I can't help guesstimating). My next step is to get rid of the bathroom scale...

And yet...

I'm still an overweight BMI. I want to hit my goal weight. I want to be healthy and for once not have everyone talk about how I'm chubby and chunky and love to stuff my face. My family has a genetically high risk of heart failure and blood pressure issues which can be exacerbated by weight...I want to get a handle on this while I'm young. I already eat a balanced diet (when I'm not forcing myself to eat 6000 calories of peanut butter and cocoa powder because ???????). I just need to be normal about it. But I don't know if I can be :(

This post has been vent so far but I really do want advice. I want to get to a sustainable healthy weight, but I cannot calorie count or weigh myself and remain mentally healthy. I just can't. But how can I prevent myself gaining back to the high 20s BMI? How can I be healthy without counting? Every resource is CICO but CICO is literally killing my mental health. Should I just stop worrying about my weight? I'm terrified if I do I will balloon.

If anyone has gone through something similar or has advice please let me know.

~ Written after gorging on a sickening "brownie" concoction that honestly tasted like vomit

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My Incredible Journey - 300lbs to 150lbs in 13 months with only diet and exercise

GALLERY: http://imgur.com/gallery/I1xPhfN

In early November, 2017, I built my wife a small shelving rack for the kitchen. With the extra pieces of scrap wood, I spent the better part of an afternoon making a stool so that I could sit down and tie my shoes. And the next morning, when I sat down and did so, I broke down crying.

We often don't give thought to the small choices we make each day, or how closely our health affects every aspect of our life, and I was no different. I faced one stunning and painful realization after another over the next few days. I didn't have a "big frame", I wasn't a "burly guy", my thick beard and open buttoned flannels weren't an attempt at style but to try and hide myself. It wasn't "always hot" in everyone else's car and house, I was just fat and overdressed. I was now 5'7" and 300lbs and it was severely effecting my health and lifestyle.

But I didn't give up. I resolved to change this and fix it, once and for good, for the benefit of myself and everyone I know and love. Not after the holidays, not next Monday, NOW. I knew that ten years of complete negligence could not be undone in a week. I knew that no miracle berry, supplement, tea, superfood or "detox" could lighten anything but my wallet. I knew no extreme diet like keto or paleo could provide anything but temporary results. And most of all, I knew that I couldn't realistically change all of my bad habits overnight.

I started with a small change every new week. First, I stopped eating fast food. Then, I committed to do some form of exercise three days a week. Next, I decided to try smaller portions of only home cooked food and avoid any product with added sugar. Shortly after New Year's, I was astonished when I weighed myself again and saw I had lost 24 lbs already. So I kept pushing, I started counting calories, taking my exercise more seriously, tracking my progress weekly, cutting out diet soda, and most of all, staying dedicated and consistent no matter what life threw at me. Nothing would halt my journey. If a week went by without progress, I tried something different or made a change.

At the start, it was only about losing weight, the number on the scale, and something physical. But as the months went by, I began to learn more about myself than I ever imagined. I learned that my weight gain was merely a symptom of a larger problem of self neglect. I learned not to take excuses, not from myself or anyone else. I learned that the path to a better life lay in my attitude and choices, not my body.

Through the journey of losing 150 pounds, I gained countless new things. My clothing went from size 3XL to S. My waist from 44 to 28. My glasses, shoes, and wedding band no longer fit. But it wasn't the physical benefits that I was most happy to gain. It was when I suddenly had the energy to go through my normal day, the confidence to speak with conviction and sincerity at my brother's wedding, when I no longer needed to hide from photos, and the newfound clarity to forgive the shortcomings of others and focus on inspiration and improvment, rather than jealousy and malice. My son and wife can now behold a man, rather than a mess.

It is at this point I no longer refer to it as weight loss, but as life gain. It isn't a diet, it's a lifestyle change. There is no end to this journey, because it will be a lifelong endeavor. I am instilled with a new spirit, confidence, and happiness which is beyond words, and I am humbled by the experience.

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Is 4000kj/960cal a day enough if I’m quite small?

F20. 152cm/5’0”. SW: 55.5kg/122lbs. GW: 48kg/105lbs. CW: 54.4kg/120lbs

Wanting to lose a bit of weight to get back to where I used to be last year. I’m tracking my intake, and have found I’m averaging 4000kj/960cal a day. MyFitnessPal is telling me this isn’t enough for safe weight loss. I don’t feel weakened or tired since starting this (been doing it for two weeks).

I’ll drink tea and have a piece of fruit for breakfast. I eat a big sandwich for lunch at work, and then I’ll have varying dinners. I don’t snack at all, apart from green tea and apples.

Is it safe for me to only eat this much a day because I’m quite short? Or should I eat more and hit the recommended 5000kj/1200cal?

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this is so hard

34F, 5’3” SW: 227, GW: 177, CW: 210

https://www.reddit.com/r/loseit/comments/9ojuqd/keeping_myself_motivated_and_accountable/?st=JONIYPSC&sh=93c494ed

Here’s a post I made a month ago. It’s tough to realize that I’ve only lost 5 more pounds.

I’m doing Healthy Wage, and since I’m 34% of the way to my 50 lbs goal but 36% of the time has elapsed the little light next to my name is yellow instead of green. It’s been yellow for a while. I backslid about 5 pounds and had to relose them, of maybe it was just a plateau but I kept at it and made it.

But I feel discouraged. This is just such a tough slog. I’m trying to look for other gains than just the scale, but no one has noticed any weight loss yet, it’s not time for new clothes yet. 3 days ago I took a butt pic so that I can compare after one month of squats and at least 20 mins on the stair stepper because I want to be able to post something to r/progresspics

I’m sick of CICO. But I’m sticking with it. Logging everything religiously. I like that I have synced it to my Apple Watch so I’m sure I’m hitting at least a thousand calorie deficit every day. But I hate the idea that I will have to do this forever.

I know weight loss isn’t linear. I know that it’s not noticeable for a while in the beginning. But fuck this is hard and I’m sick of spending so much physical and mental energy on trying to lose. What do you guys do when you’re discouraged. I wanna feel excited about food and feel joyful at the gym instead of dreading my several hours I spend there almost every day.

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Does it take anyone else a huge amount of effort to get back on track after eating something unhealthy?

I'm about 6 months into my weight loss journey, and this was a problem for me at the beginning, and still is today. Whenever I eat even just one healthy thing, it takes days for me to get back on track.

For example, I was great this past week. My diet was healthy and balanced, and my workouts were great. My plan was to continue being on my best behavior up until Thanksgiving so I could enjoy all the holiday food knowing I worked hard and deserved to treat myself. But I went out with friends this past Friday night and had wings and a drink, and it completely derailed me. I've continued to eat like shit all weekend, and I feel like I can't stop. This has been an on-going issue; whenever I reward myself with a cheat meal, my intentions are to get right back on track the next day. But for days afterwards, I struggle getting back on the wagon. It's like one simple treat has the ability to make me crave unhealthy foods throughout the whole weekend... and it messes with me so much mentally, that I repeatedly give in. The only thing that seems to break it is getting back into my normal daily schedule on Mondays, going to work, etc...

I was wondering if anyone else seems to have this issue. It really sucks, because I feel incredibly guilty and it's like two halves of myself are battling with each other. I know I need to stop... but on the other hand, I'd die for some pizza right now. And this very issue has me absolutely terrified of the upcoming holidays.

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Even though I'm only 1.6 pounds lighter than I was 11 months ago, I consider it a huge win.

On December 13th, 2017 I logged my weight as 191.6 pounds. That was my lowest weight of 2017, and my second lowest weight of my entire adult life. Here I am, 11 months later, and I've been at a solid 190 for weeks. I was upset with myself about that, but then I started considering a few things that happened in 2018:

I experience recurring, undiagnosed health issues

I negatively reacted to different meds for those issues

I had surgery

I started working on a master's thesis

I had to relive past trauma

I experienced a major life change

Even with all that, my average weight for this entire year was 190 lbs, +/- 2 lbs. That means that after I lost over 25 pounds from March to December 2017, I kept that weight off for almost an entire year! I even managed to lose almost two more pounds in that time. Yes, I still have a long way to go before I reach my goal weight, but even in spite of the hell 2018 has put me through, I didn't gain the weight back! That's huge for me. In the past, even a single one of those event would have sent me into a self-pitying spiral that would undoubtedly lead to weight gain. BUT NOT THIS TIME!

Putting things into this perspective has helped me overcome the disappointment I had been feeling lately, and has helped me renew my determination that I can keep going. I didn't lose weight this year, no. But that's ok. I can keep going. I may not have the ability to be as dedicated to weight loss as I would like, but I can keep going. I can lose one or two pounds a month until all my other issues get sorted out. It's okay. Never had I ever managed to maintain any sort of weight loss for this long, so this was a actually a huge win for me. Slow and steady will help me win the race.

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Mental Conundrums, Do I Fit In Here?

I know this is long but please do read if you've offered help on here before, I would love for as many to see this as possible to open up for a candid discussion that I really need. For those put off by the length I will have something of a TL;DR on the bottom!

I do not see this as "a question in regards to your personal weight loss efforts" in a conventional sense, I needed this sort of room for this post, so I did not use the Q&A thread. I hope that's alright.


I have been a lurker on this community for a long time. On another account for the most part, over two years I would say. I've actually tried posting once but perhaps the account had too little karma back in the day? Anyhow, I wanted to give a little background, chat with like-minded folks, try to really, really get myself started and to end my cycle of despair. This is an amazing community that has helped so many others and I know it's a place where good discussion and advice can be given.

I'm twenty years old, from the U.S. I was a wrestler in High School, but have had awful eating habits my whole life. I was in shape back then. Not cut or anything, still chubby but a lot of that was what I consider to be "baby fat", I weigh more but look more mature than I did. I always thought I looked young and like a child. I have a round face but beneath I really do think it's a bit more angular. I learned recently that asides from binge-eating disorder and fairly controllable bullimia, I may have body dysmorphia. I do not want you all to think that I am actually thin/skinny/in shape because of that. I am aware I see myself as worse than I am, but that does not mean I am by any means looking good. I am definitely overweight. I'm 5'6" and am a little under 210 pounds. I am not called fat in most instances, no one has called me explicitly fat, and I did lose 20 pounds over the summer which helps. It doesn't seem just to be sugarcoating either. My therapist even looked shocked and voiced his concern when I explained how I thought I was "fat". Well, fine, my definition of fat is what I am now. I don't have a good body regardless of if people don't consider me fat by their own definitions. I know it's a shitty term to even call oneself, and I am working on accepting myself more, but that's why I'm here and why I hope to discuss a few things.

As for the "awful eating habits I mentioned", I eat quickly, I eat a lot. When I'm done with a meal I habitually eat more. It can be something like an entire bag of microwave popcorn, sometimes extra butter, no matter the size of the previous meal. One massive meal a day and not much/something healthy from there is actually something I can do and it's how I've maintained after my weight loss. I am aware this is most likely not a good method, but as someone who binges like I do I find that if I got a large binge out of the way I can at least maintain for the day. Lately I noticed that I'm slipping and saw myself go up from the 206 I've been maintaining for months.

How I lost weight over the summer, despite these problems?

Keto.

I loved keto. It was tough, but something switched in me, I was somehow able to do it with few issues to be honest. I had cravings here and there but not as many in the beginning surprisingly enough. I wanted to lose some weight for a trip to Europe and it worked. Twenty pounds down in a month. It was quick mostly because of water weight, I noticed by the end I was slowing down in weight loss but for once was comfortable with the slow speed because it was true, tangible progress. I still was uncomfortable in my body for the most part, I have a few stretch marks that I dislike, but I had more energy and felt good.

I was worried that, since it was basically impossible to maintain my diet while in Italy of all places, that when I was back I would not be able to continue. I told myself, when I returned, that I'd order out, get some American food that I missed for a few days, then return to keto.

I never returned.

I tried a few times but it always fizzled. I realized I intrinsically cannot live on that high fat diet, I realized I needed to fix the habits I've built up to eat food like a normal human being and not have to worry so much about what exactly that food is. Unless I do? Do I? Is that necessary and I'm being delusional? That's a big issue for me.

I love the idea of becoming a health nut, getting physically and mentally healthy through exercise and proper diet, but I think for me to deny good food, a part of my culture and my life since I was young, would not be something I can physically handle. I did for a time, but I was admittedly scared of the commitment. I did not think I could go years on Keto, not by a long shot.

That brings us close to today, but before I continue I need to discuss the past.

I was a hundred fifty pounds as a Freshman in highschool, one sixty for the next two years. I always felt like one fifty five, one sixty was where I belonged, but senior year I could not maintain like I had in the past. I don't know what it was. I was binging like mad, I had to go one seventy in the season and hardly maintained that. I was shooting up in weight, and when the season ended, I shot up more. I was two hundred pounds by the end of the year. I rose steadily from there. I was 220 last year for a majority of the year. At my most in my life I was 225.

I lost some weight by means I do not remember. Some extra exercise, but I was 220 for a long time until Keto began. Just wanted to share that tidbit from my life. The forceful dietary habits of wrestling had an impact on me I think, but I am unsure if that's just an excuse or not. I always had bad habits, this I realized recently if I'm honest.

SO! Here we are, the brunt of it's out of the way, and what mainly I need help with, what I would like to talk about, is how I can help myself now given the various conditions and issues with my life.

Sometimes when I binge badly I go to bed thinking I'll die in my sleep. It's a crazy thought, but when I wake up I feel panicked and scared to be honest. I can be a bit of a hypochondriac but that didn't start until I was at the height of my weight. I am getting better with that now. Therapy has sort of helped me. It's only been a few months but talking about it has opened me up to my mental issues and I can understand a lot of how I see myself and the world now. It's why I'm able to write about my problems in a candid manner like this, because I actually know what they are for once, rather than going through life thinking I was "just an introvert". Nope. It's a ton of anxiety, it's body dysmorphia, disliking myself, and it all ties into my god damn appearance. My height and my weight. One of those factors is so out of my control I've even started thinking positively about it, to dwell on one's height is to invite more pain and I'm done with it, I've always cared more about weight and fat and health than that anyway.

This may come off as rambling, I am not trying to, merely offering as much of what's inside of my head as possible to paint a picture, but I will speed things up.

I think that I can beat binge eating and bulimia by fixing habits rather than directly fighting the illnesses, which I have tried for years. I think that chewing food longer, putting down the utensils, eating slower, drink-breaks, things of that sort, will help me, will end my binge eating. Is this possible in any one's experience? I did this for a few days recently. It helped but it was hellish. Does it get better? I just want it to get better. I have many long term fears. If every day of my life will be a fight against food I would give up now. I have never gotten better, but everyone says that when they do it truly is easier and I can only hope that's the case.

Are the people here who have lost weight and maintained all people who have had eating disorders? In that sense, why is there a stigma around dieting while having an eating disorder? I understand scientific reasoning. But a very obese person losing weight did that, from what I understand, while having some sort of eating disorder or while at least fighting it off. I can see how dieting brought me right back into the cycle when the diet was done, but I did not lose all the weight I wanted and only dieted for a month on something very restrictive despite enjoying the energy and progress. Maybe if I diet well for a while I will lose these habits. The confidence I've gained from the weight loss will ease my anxieties and rid me of these disorders. Is anyone who has excessively gained weight one with an eating disorder? In that sense, in anyone's opinion, is it okay to go on a diet of some sort now? What on Earth can I do?

For some reason counting calories has always felt awful to me. I can hardly explain it. It feels nitpicky, annoying, and slow. Is that the best way to lose weight with my current issues? I will do it at this point since I never really did scrutinize calories so much, I was thinking of trying it, but the fact that I've been of the mind that these eating disorders must be dealt with first has prevented me from trying.

Anyway, those are some of my questions and concerns. What can I do? Really, what can I do? I am not feeling particularly upset today. I had dinner (Sunday is early dinner for this family) and while I did grab some seconds I had nothing else and feel fine. I don't like keeping food out of the house. I like to keep it there so I can learn to fight it. Is that bad, too?

God, this IS now rambling but I'm going to leave everything for people's edification should they choose to read. I think I can find the best help this way. Thank you for reading if you have, thanks for any help that can be given.


TL;DR

I have various eating disorders and anxieties about my appearance and health. Binge eating, bulimia, I'm a hypochondriac at times, I have moderate body dysmorphia. I'm 5'6" (like two centimeters off from 5'7" for those that do some serious mathematical calculations) and I'm 210 pounds currently. My months-long maintenance is slipping.

I believe weight loss will solve many of my problems, that it will do away with my anxieties and therefore my eating disorders. Is this possible?

Is everyone who is overweight/obese those with eating disorders? (Besides those with physical diseases that causes them to gain weight/have a lot of fat) And in that case, is it okay to diet/to try to lose weight while having an eating disorder? Months of mental work has ONLY been mental work for me. I have not lost weight. I want to.

This has been long, I apologize for that. I'm a writer so this tends to happen anyway. Forgive any grammar mistakes, I've read through enough and would like to post now. I hope I did this right and that there are no complications with my posting.

Again, thanks if you read, hope there's some good advice ahead.

EDIT: Something I did not mention is that I am obsessed with pasta and foods like that, and lost a lot of money ordering out switching between pasta and Chinese food almost every day for weeks. I wondered if I had a gluten allergy or something like that, but I doubt it as I never had a bad reaction to wheat and things like that.

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